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Money For the Rest of Us

Forsage and Herbalife—How Multi-Level Marketing, Pyramid Schemes, and Ponzi Schemes Differ

Money For the Rest of Us

J. David Stein

Investing, Investing Podcast, Business, Economics, Economy

4.51.4K Ratings

🗓️ 3 August 2022

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Why it is challenging to distinguish a legitimate multi-level marketing company from a pyramid scheme as hedge fund billionaire Bill Ackman found out in his losing campaign against Herbalife. How Forsage has taken pyramid and Ponzi schemes to a whole new level, and why the regulators can't shut it down.

Topics covered include:

  • What are multi-level marketing companies and how most MLM distributors are unsuccessful
  • What is the difference between a pyramid scheme and a Ponzi scheme and what are some examples
  • How hedge fund Pershing Square Capital Management took on Herbalife and despite FTC and SEC actions, Herbalife continues to thrive.
  • Why Forsage, a pyramid and Ponzi scheme on the blockchain, continues, despite SEC regulatory actions
  • Why Bitcoin isn't a Ponzi scheme


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Show Notes

Herbalife Settlement With F.T.C. Ends Billionaires’ Battle by Matthew Goldstein and Alexandra Stevenson—The New York Times

Multi-Level Marketing Businesses and Pyramid Schemes—Federal Trade Commission

Herbalife International Settlement Complaint

Herbalife Settles With S.E.C., but Too Late for Hedge Fund Investor by Matthew Goldstein—The New York Times

Consistency is Key! Make Money Podcasting by Elsie Escobar—Libsyn

November Stats From Rob Walch—Podcast Business Journal

Federal Trade Commission Returns More Than $149 Million To Consumers Harmed by AdvoCare Pyramid Scheme—Federal Trade Commission

Federal Trade Commission Returns More Than $23 Million To Consumers Deceived by Online Business Coaching Scheme MOBE—Federal Trade Commission

FTC Shuts Down Credit Repair Pyramid Scheme Financial Education Services, Which Bilked More Than $213 Million from Consumers—Federal Trade Commission

Investor Alert: Ponzi Schemes Using Virtual Currencies—U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission

What is Forsage?—Forsage Support


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0:00.0

Welcome to Money for the Rest of Us. This is a personal finance show on money, how it

0:05.4

works, how to invest it, and how to live without worrying about it. I'm your host, David

0:10.0

Stein, today is episode 396. It's titled How Multilevel Marketing, Pyramid Schemes,

0:16.7

and Ponzi Schemes Differ, the Case of Forsage. When I was about 10 years old, my uncle came

0:25.2

to our house to visit my recently divorced mother and introduced us to a new business

0:33.4

opportunity that he had. It was selling cleaning products, soap. The company was Amway. Amway

0:40.8

was founded in 1959. It is the world's largest direct selling company. Amway distributes

0:49.1

and manufactures nutrition products, beauty, personal care, and home products. My mom didn't

0:54.6

join. She became a Tupperware distributor instead for several years. I recall us having thousands

1:01.6

of dollars of inventory in our basement. She did okay with Tupperware, but eventually

1:08.1

transitioned to real estate and other opportunities. When I was at university, a friend approached

1:15.2

me about a business opportunity. He wouldn't say what it was. I had to go to a recruiting

1:21.6

meeting. This was in the late 80s, and again, it was Amway. They talked about the potential

1:28.0

to earn cars, trips, money. I don't recall much focus on the product. I wasn't interested.

1:35.6

Then in 2007, another family friend came to visit. Again, to pitch me on a business.

1:42.0

It was called Quickstar, which was the name of Amway. They had changed it. Now they've

1:46.8

changed it back. I bought a discount card. I wanted to help out some. I had more means

1:51.0

to do so. I just didn't want to be an Amway distributor. I, like you, have seen friends,

1:58.6

acquaintances. Family members get involved in direct selling businesses, which are sometimes

2:04.9

called multi-level marketing. Think Amway. Tupperware. Mary K. Cosmetics. Different essential

2:11.3

oils companies. Numerous drink companies made from exotic berries. Here in Idaho, we have

2:17.8

lived in Idaho Falls. One of the largest companies, or at least one of the wealthiest companies,

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