Forsage and Herbalife—How Multi-Level Marketing, Pyramid Schemes, and Ponzi Schemes Differ
Money For the Rest of Us
J. David Stein
4.5 • 1.4K Ratings
🗓️ 3 August 2022
⏱️ 27 minutes
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Summary
Why it is challenging to distinguish a legitimate multi-level marketing company from a pyramid scheme as hedge fund billionaire Bill Ackman found out in his losing campaign against Herbalife. How Forsage has taken pyramid and Ponzi schemes to a whole new level, and why the regulators can't shut it down.
Topics covered include:
- What are multi-level marketing companies and how most MLM distributors are unsuccessful
- What is the difference between a pyramid scheme and a Ponzi scheme and what are some examples
- How hedge fund Pershing Square Capital Management took on Herbalife and despite FTC and SEC actions, Herbalife continues to thrive.
- Why Forsage, a pyramid and Ponzi scheme on the blockchain, continues, despite SEC regulatory actions
- Why Bitcoin isn't a Ponzi scheme
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Show Notes
Multi-Level Marketing Businesses and Pyramid Schemes—Federal Trade Commission
Herbalife International Settlement Complaint
Consistency is Key! Make Money Podcasting by Elsie Escobar—Libsyn
November Stats From Rob Walch—Podcast Business Journal
Investor Alert: Ponzi Schemes Using Virtual Currencies—U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission
What is Forsage?—Forsage Support
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Money for the Rest of Us. This is a personal finance show on money, how it |
| 0:05.4 | works, how to invest it, and how to live without worrying about it. I'm your host, David |
| 0:10.0 | Stein, today is episode 396. It's titled How Multilevel Marketing, Pyramid Schemes, |
| 0:16.7 | and Ponzi Schemes Differ, the Case of Forsage. When I was about 10 years old, my uncle came |
| 0:25.2 | to our house to visit my recently divorced mother and introduced us to a new business |
| 0:33.4 | opportunity that he had. It was selling cleaning products, soap. The company was Amway. Amway |
| 0:40.8 | was founded in 1959. It is the world's largest direct selling company. Amway distributes |
| 0:49.1 | and manufactures nutrition products, beauty, personal care, and home products. My mom didn't |
| 0:54.6 | join. She became a Tupperware distributor instead for several years. I recall us having thousands |
| 1:01.6 | of dollars of inventory in our basement. She did okay with Tupperware, but eventually |
| 1:08.1 | transitioned to real estate and other opportunities. When I was at university, a friend approached |
| 1:15.2 | me about a business opportunity. He wouldn't say what it was. I had to go to a recruiting |
| 1:21.6 | meeting. This was in the late 80s, and again, it was Amway. They talked about the potential |
| 1:28.0 | to earn cars, trips, money. I don't recall much focus on the product. I wasn't interested. |
| 1:35.6 | Then in 2007, another family friend came to visit. Again, to pitch me on a business. |
| 1:42.0 | It was called Quickstar, which was the name of Amway. They had changed it. Now they've |
| 1:46.8 | changed it back. I bought a discount card. I wanted to help out some. I had more means |
| 1:51.0 | to do so. I just didn't want to be an Amway distributor. I, like you, have seen friends, |
| 1:58.6 | acquaintances. Family members get involved in direct selling businesses, which are sometimes |
| 2:04.9 | called multi-level marketing. Think Amway. Tupperware. Mary K. Cosmetics. Different essential |
| 2:11.3 | oils companies. Numerous drink companies made from exotic berries. Here in Idaho, we have |
| 2:17.8 | lived in Idaho Falls. One of the largest companies, or at least one of the wealthiest companies, |
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