One of my colleagues said it's called Trump law.

If it involves Trump, there ain't no law.

John Eastman is the founding director of the Claremont Institute's Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence.

He is also a former law professor and served as a law clerk for Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.

His life took a sharp turn when he helped President Trump challenge the integrity of the 2020 election results.

His memos have been likened to a roadmap for a coup.

John Eastman was booked and released from the Fulton County Jail in Georgia.

CNN has identified Eastman as one of six unnamed co-conspirators.

And he's on the path to disbarment.

If in fact what I believe occurred did occur, and people that did it are not held accountable, they'll do it again.

You think about the last line in our national anthem.

The question is not so much whether the flag still waves or flies.

The question is it still the land of the free and the home of the brave, or is it

the land of the coward and the home of the slave? This is American Thought Leaders, and I'm

Janja Kellick. John Eastman, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders.

Thanks very much for having me. I'm looking forward to this discussion. Well, let's talk about what's called the Eastman Dilemma.

Of course, the name of a film, which you're a central character of.

What is the status of the realities around the Eastman dilemma right now?

Well, I want to first point out that the Eastman dilemma title, I never had any dilemma.

I had lots of evidence of illegality in the 2020 election, and I wanted to stand up and try

and shine a light on that.

The dilemma in the title of the documentary, I think, is for my colleagues in the legal profession.

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