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Hey, it's Ryan Holiday. Welcome to another episode of the Daily Stoic Podcast. As you

are listening to this, I am just wrapping up the first draft of the Justice Book. It was

a book that I very much disperied of at the beginning. I thought, like I talked about

in the end of Discipline and Stess and I thought about asking for an extension again.

I thought I really needed it. I didn't know if the material was going to be there. But

if you remember the email from a couple days ago, the Hemingway one, that piece of advice

from Hemingway that all you can do is keep going and don't stop to get to the other side.

That's all you can do. Well, that advice served me well. And here we are with a draft of

the book editing and other stuff will commence from here. There are still lots of work to

do, but the only way out is through and I made it through or I made it through to checkpoint,

you know, whatever. And I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. And I was really

excited to take a break to talk to today's episode with Coutino Mowgli, aka Cat, iconic

NBA player from when I was a kid. He played in the NBA from 1998 to 2008, 10 years. That

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