The CIA is not a bunch of shooters running around picking locks and climbing up the sides of buildings,

but it didn't have enough people who could operate in those types of environments, so it started

poaching from the military special ops community. That's how I got involved.

What is the business model of human trafficking that's attracting so many people to want to go

do it? Profits. This is strictly a money play. The misconception is that all human traffickers are

men and that it's not the case. Many human traffickers are women. We had intelligence on a human

trafficker that was moving children across a border and they were specifically using those children

to test bombs. Yet we have an entire government bureaucracy that we spend billions of dollars

fighting what is the illicit trait of legal commodities. Are these guys intimidated by that?

They're like, you're not going to catch them. We know what we're doing. We're smarter than you. They're

thinking they're going to outsmart you every single time. The reason that there are human trafficking

victims is because there are human traffickers, so we don't need to spend all of our time focusing

on arresting victims. We need to focus on preventing victims by getting rid of human traffickers.

My guest today may have one of the most interesting stories you've ever heard, but I'm going to

tell you why I'm saying this because we've had a lot of interesting people on my attainment. So

number one, he gets out of high school. While he's in high school, he doesn't want to attend high

school because he likes surfing. So he finds out how to hack into the high school's attendant system

and shows that he showed up all year long, but he went surfing from there. He leads to going into

the Air Force and becomes a peril rescue, which peril rescue is comparable to Navy SEAL. Then he goes

into the CIA cannot tell you how long it is because I don't know how long it is, but it's several

years he goes into the CIA. And then afterwards, he decides to get out to go fight human trafficking.

And all along, he gets a call from Amazon and by saying, we want to do a story that's similar to

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