From KCRW, I'm Kim Masters, and this is The Business.

Director Shaunek Sen is Oscar-nominated for All That Breathe's,

his film about two brothers who run a bird hospital in India.

He says it's hard enough to get financing for documentary films,

but keeping creative control is even harder.

Money is almost never without a caveat, especially for an early career filmmaker.

It's super important, at least for me at any rate, is to hold on to creative sovereignty,

and therefore you have to listen to the smaller tiny voices in your head, which gets difficult

if you don't have contractual autonomy.

Sean Exend talks about how a simple Google search led him to the brothers in his film

and explains why he scrapped eight months' worth of footage midway through the shoot.

The work paid off.

His film won big at Sundance and Can.

But first we banter.

Stick around.

It's the business from KCRW.

I'm joined by my partner in banter, Matt Bellany. Hello, Matt.

Hi there.

So, as you have reported in a very interesting piece for Puck, there is a big question about the big TV hit, Yellowstone, which is in limbo right now because Kevin Costner, who is a little bit

important to that show, is doing what stars sometimes do. And Kevin Costner is, you know, more than a star.

He's an Oscar-winning director. But Kevin Costner, whose career as an actor had been a little sleepy

before this show brought him back. And, you know, who knows how he felt about that,

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