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I appreciate you down on the podcast coming up on today's episode. We're talking food.

One of my favorite things, Henry Dimbleby is just quit as the government's food czar.

He tells me why and what we should do about it to try and sort out what we eat. That's

coming up in just a moment before that though. They're back. Let's talk for this.

Yes, we say very good morning to the stepter and son of news. It is Danny Fukustai.

Morning, Danny. Good morning. And have a good morning. Good morning. Right. Let's talk

about Boris Johnson. Richie soon out, warning this morning, he will not intervene to stop

Boris Johnson being suspended from Parliament for misleading MPs. If indeed he is, I mean,

it's entirely possible, Henry, that this committee finds that Boris Johnson did not mislead

Parliament and the far from it being a kangaroo court is a fine upstanding defender of Boris Johnson.

Yeah, it's possible. It appears increasingly unlikely. I mean, let's just be precise about

what they are investigating him for. So it's not whether he mislead Parliament. It's whether he

mislead Parliament and in doing so deliberately or recklessly was in contempt of Parliament. So

the bar is moderately high. But then the charge sheet, as it were, is pretty serious. The committee

published this. It's sort of called an interim report. It's not quite that. It's sort of

statement of the case that they intend to press against him. They published this couple of weeks ago.

And over 20 or so pages, they identified four different ways in which he might have mislead

Parliament when he said things like, I have been assured that the guidance was followed at all

times that no rules were broken and so on. I'm paraphrasing. But then the sort of kernel of their case,

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