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Real Estate Investing Mastery Podcast
Joe McCall
4.8 • 551 Ratings
🗓️ 27 May 2026
⏱️ 6 minutes
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Summary
I share one of the dumbest things I’ve ever done and how it turned into one of the best lessons I could give anybody trying to get started in real estate. Years ago, my wife and I went cave exploring in Arkansas, and I found myself squeezing through tight underground tunnels thinking, “Why in the world am I doing this?” The only thing that kept me moving forward was following the biggest guy in the group. I figured if he could make it through, I could too.
That experience reminded me of how most people approach real estate investing. They overthink everything, try to customize proven systems, and let fear stop them before they ever take action. The truth is, success gets a whole lot easier when you stop trying to reinvent the wheel and simply follow people already getting results.
I talk about trusting the process, taking imperfect action, and why confidence often comes after you start moving, not before.
What’s Inside:
—Why following proven systems works better than overcomplicating everything
—How taking imperfect action builds confidence faster than waiting
—The mindset shift that helps investors push through fear and uncertainty
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome. This is the Real Estate Investing Mastery Podcast. |
| 0:22.6 | Maybe you don't have a ton of money. |
| 0:24.1 | Maybe you're afraid to make mistakes. |
| 0:27.0 | Whatever the reason is, you just got to take a deep breath. |
| 0:28.3 | Trust the process. |
| 0:32.2 | I remember once we went down to Northern Arkansas with my wife before kids. |
| 0:35.4 | And I was about 20, 30 pounds heavier than I am now. |
| 0:36.6 | And we went caving. |
| 0:55.4 | I had no idea what caving meant, but they just said, wear pants that you don't care if you never wear again. And so we went, and then they gave me a hard hat and a flashlight, you know. And they said, all right, we're going to go caving. What is that? And they said, well, we, and why are we going at night? And they said, well, we had to wait until all the bats left the cave. I'm like, what cave? And they said, right down there. |
| 0:54.6 | And there was something in the ground that was about the... And they said, well, we had to wait until all the bats left the cave. I'm like, what cave? And they said, |
| 1:14.7 | right down there. And there was something in the ground that was about the size of a office trash can. Okay? And I was like, and I was like, what? And they said, yeah, we're going to go down. So the bats came out of there and you're sure they're all out. They're not in there anymore? Yeah, they've already left. Okay, so now what do we do? And I said, well, we're just going to go down in there. And so one guy went down head first. I mean, |
| 1:25.2 | it's not like you walk into it, right? It's like you go down. And then you have to go head first. So he goes in there and goes head first. And it's, oh, yeah, by the way, it's called the corkscrew. and you'll find out why it's called the corkscrew in a minute. |
| 1:27.1 | And he starts twisting his body and he goes down. |
| 1:30.1 | And then someone else says, oh, don't worry, I've done this before. |
| 1:30.1 | You know, there's a cavern right. you'll find out why it's called the corkscrew in a minute. And he starts twisting his body and he goes down. And then someone else says, oh, don't worry, I've done this before. |
| 1:33.8 | You know, there's a cavern right, just, you know, a few six, seven feet on the other side. |
| 1:35.1 | So then what did I do? |
| 1:39.0 | I looked for the fattest guy in the group because my wife was there, right? |
| 2:35.4 | And I'm not going to like be a scary cat or whatever, a coward. So I look for the fattest guy in the group. And I'm like, okay, I'm going to get behind him. And I knew if he could get through that corkscrew than I could. And guess what? He went down without any hesitation. I did not get stuck, Paul. I went down. Well, he went down like, oh, here we go. All right. Took a deep breath, set a quick prayer. And I went down. And I just followed this guy. The whole time we were in this cave for a couple hours. It was a lot of fun. Scary. I'll never do it again. And I prayed something like, it's one of those things where you're just pulling with your fingers and pushing with your toes, going through this area. You can't look up. You have to look sideways. And then, like, I don't know why people do this. It's the stupidest, dumbest thing ever. But I just followed the fat guy the whole time. And I didn't tell him until afterwards. And I said, hey, man, thank you so much. And he said, why? I stayed behind you the whole time. He said, why did you stay behind me? I said, because you're bigger than me. He says, no, I'm not. And I said, yeah, you are. I followed you because you're fatter than me. |
| 2:37.0 | And so it was kind of funny. |
| 2:37.8 | He didn't think it was funny. |
| 2:39.1 | But like, thank God. |
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