Hello and welcome to the ThoughtWorks Technology podcast.

My name is Alexei. I'm speaking from San Paulo in Brazil, and I will be one of your hosts this time,

together with Ashok Subramanian. Hello, Ashok. How are you?

Hello, Alexei. I'm quite well. Thank you. Hello, everyone. I am Ashok Subramanian. I am the head of technology for ThoughtWorks in the UK.

And this time, we're very lucky to have Luciano Hamalio here with us.

Luciano is a well-known speaker quite present in the Python communities worldwide, and he's also the author of Fluent Python, published by O'Reilly.

And that book should be getting a second edition early in 2022.

Hello, Luciano. It's a pleasure to have you with us.

Thank you so much, Alexei and Ashok, for inviting me.

So, Lucano, you, I mean, you've been involved and a big contributor to Python and to the community for a long,

long time.

And we've all been hearing about how much Python has been growing in popularity over the last

years.

So I'd be very, very curious to hear your perspective on that journey of Python and its popularity.

How have you seen it grow and what's your personal perspective on that?

Okay, so yeah, my first job as a freelance software developer using Python was I delivered in December of 98.

And so I like to joke that I am a Pythonist since the last century.

But it's funny because when we talk about language popularity, I have observed in my career that this is really a phenomenon that people have very different perspectives because of their surroundings.

You know, like people talk about the, each one, each person has their own bubble.

And our bubbles are very strong when we talk about, you know, languages and frameworks.

Because, you know, if since I am, I've been using Python professionally since the late 90s,

I am, I know a lot of people using it.

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