Flipping the Script -- with Haviv Rettig Gur

Call Me Back - with Dan Senor

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Society, October 7, Hamas, War, Foreign Policy, Geopolitics, Israel, News Commentary, News, Politics, Elections, Palestine, Dan Senor, Government

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🗓️ 13 November 2023

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Haviv Rettig Gur returns for our weekly conversation from Jerusalem to provide real-time reporting and analysis on the war, and invaluable historical context. Today, we talk to Haviv about the hostage crisis in the context of Israel's war fighting. And we also discuss Haviv's contrarian view of how Israel is reacting to the growing international pressure it is encountering – what it means for Israel and what it means for Jews around the world. Finally, last week we released our new book: "The Genius of Israel: The Surprising Resilience of a Divided Nation in a Turbulent World", which you can order now at: www.amazon.com/Genius-Israel-Small-Nation-Teach/dp/1982115769/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3LKV3ZLWLBOL1&keywords=dan+senor&qid=1694402205&sprefix=dan+senor%2Caps%2C87&sr=8-1 OR www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-genius-of-israel-dan-senor/1143499668

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0:00.0	Ironically, paradoxically, the very fact that so much world opinion has turned against Israel serves
0:08.9	Israel's purposes right now, because Israel needs to show Hamas one of the great ways that you defeat
0:14.7	this kind of warfare is to show that you are actually implacable, to show that you are
0:22.3	actually irrelevable. In other words Hamas
0:24.8	brings to bear everything it's got and once it's brought to bear everything it's
0:28.8	got and every ally has said everything they're going to say and done
0:31.5	everything they're going to do, Israel is still hunting them down because
0:35.2	they stole and massacred children.
0:38.8	And so what Israel's leverage in Northern Gaza is going to be to make sure that Hamas understands that if it wants to survive it has to leave Gaza altogether.
0:49.0	Israel's leverage is that it's going to stay a long time.
0:52.0	That it is not going to bend to world opinion. It is not going to bend to the pressure from the
0:56.2	west or from anyone or from the Arab world. And once Hamas understands that, I think this
1:01.7	war changes. It's Sunday, November 12th at 11 p.m. here in New York City. It is Monday, November 13th at 6 a.m. just as the day is starting in Israel.
1:26.4	Today is our weekly check-in with Haviv Retic Gore in Jerusalem,
1:30.8	something I look forward to every week for my sanity. Plus,
1:35.6	Aviv always has some provocative analysis combined with his soulfulness that makes these
1:41.3	interesting conversations. I wanted to talk to
1:43.5	Aviv about how Israeli decision-makers are factoring the hostage crisis
1:47.8	into the context of its war fighting strategy, especially now that the IDF is moving farther and farther along,
1:55.2	closer and closer into the center of Gaza, and how Israel is reacting to the growing international
2:01.2	pressure it is encountering.
2:03.0	Everyone I speak to here in the US who's following this, especially those in the media,
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