And I am pleased to welcome to this podcast for the first time, my friend Ancho Pfeffer, who has covered Israeli politics and Israeli national security issues and global affairs for over two

decades he's a senior correspondent and a columnist for Haritz and he is the Israel correspondent for The Economist magazine. He lives in Jerusalem.

I first met Anchell in 2018 when he was working on his book his biography of Benjamin Netanyahu he and I were on a

panel together at an event in the US with

Ancho me and Amir Tibun. Ancho, me, and Amir Tibun.

Ancho, thank you for being here.

Thanks for having me, Dan.

You are fresh back from Gaza.

It is your second trip to Gaza in the last couple of weeks you were there over the last

48 hours can you just start by I mean we've had a number of guests on this podcast since October 7th who are intimately

involved with covering the war or intimately involved with the war Israelis but no one people we've had had on has had your experience. I want to talk about that.

You've been into Gaza, just, I guess, maybe describe each visit to Gaza.

What about each one?

What was the biggest impression you had from each one?

How are they different?

Just your general impressions?

So, I went in both times from the same route

Israel the Israeli forces obviously have gone in to the Gaza Strip from a number of

routes both times I went in from the northwest corner of the Gaza Strip

quite close to the to the sea at a place called Israel, those who have been to

Israel, got a good knowledge of Israeli beaches

is the place near Zikimich is one of my favorite beaches

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