Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, You're listening to an upstream interview with Peter McFadian,

co-creator of the Flat Pack Democracy Movement,

former mayor, and current Froom town councillor. Hello Peter, welcome to Upstream. You were the mayor of Frum until recently.

Can you tell us a little bit about your mayoral chains that you wore around your neck.

My mayoral chains, sure. So I was a reluctant mayor. It was one of the things I said I wouldn't do,

and I was persuaded that it would be a good thing to do,

mainly to get to know other parts of Frum and to meet people who I wouldn't otherwise meet within the community that I've lived for nearly 30 years.

But one of the things that I knew I wanted to do at the

beginning was to push a line which I had pushed already as a counselor, which was to try and

break down the barrier, if you like, between between counselors between authority and the people and

quite early on or very early on I went to a school to talk about things ethical with

the proper chain on of the mayor. I took the proper chain which is made of gold and

was we were talking about how this has probably been mined by you know South Africans paid

nothing and all the rest.

And they said, well, we'll make you an ethical chain if you want.

So these children made me an ethical chain out of bits of old bicycle and bottle tops and so on.

And then I wore that chain to open the fate of the school at the weekend. And then that led to the idea

that anyone could make me a chain that represented what it was that they were doing, as long

as it had something to do with things

green and ethical and gorgeous, essentially.

And so I ended up with about 25 chains of one sort or another, and a guy called David partner who's a really top portrait

photographer who lives in Frum offered to take pictures of them and another person who

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