Hello and welcome to the political orphanage, a home for plucky misfits and problem solvers.

I'm your host Andrew Heaton.

Today we are going to talk about apprenticeships,

the Swiss, and how to fix education in America.

But first, the political orphanage is made possible by listeners of the show who support it through Patreon.

You can join them by going to Patreon.com slash Andrew Heaton.

Every week patrons get an exclusive bonus episode and this week's one is a tad

salty. I'll say it it's a little salty. My friend and economics mentor Jean

Epstein post of the Soho Forum,

joins me to discuss the nature of education

and he has a radical approach,

a more radical approach than that which we've

previously covered on this program, certainly more radical than me. We kind of

get into it a little. We love each other. Don't get me wrong. We say he even teaches me some really like heartwarming

Yiddish. It's nice. But we get into it a little bit more than usual and you can

listen to that episode by going to Patreon dot com slash Andrew Heaton that's patreon

dot com slash Andrew heaten if you want to hear me and my dear friend gene

Epstein hash it out about education. Thanks. My guest today is Noel Ginsburg. He is

the founder and CEO of Career-wise following the 41-year stint as the

founder and CEO of the manufacturing company Intertech Plastics.

And career-wise is an apprenticeship, is it an advocacy organization?

Are you the actual interlocutor between companies and education?

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