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I'm John Batchel with Professor Eric Klein.

The new book is After 1177 BC, civilization collapsed, the globalization trade collapse, but there were big winners called technically anti-fragile. Guess. One came with the alphabet, maybe. The other came with iron, maybe. The Phoenicians, who the professor in tells me never called themselves

Phoenicians they identified with cities Tyre and Sidon and Beirut Biblos

those traders and then there are the genius metallurgists of Cyprus and

this is important to mention because we're talking about how you deal with collapse.

The Assyrians dealt with it with leadership.

The Egyptians dealt with it by retracting.

You know, they took a recession.

The Phoenicians and the Cypriots are opportunists.

Accidentally, professor, or were they geniuses?

I'm going to go with genius rather than accidental.

It seemed very deliberate.

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