You were listening of course to the War on the Rocks podcast on strategy, defense, and foreign affairs. My name's Ryan Evans. I'm the CEO of War in the Rocks. In this episode we talked to some nuclear experts from the Nuclear Studies Research Initiative

and their annual conference, which was this year,

in Hamburg, Germany.

This is the first episode of the War on the Rocks

podcast that I think we've recorded in Germany.

We're in lovely Hamburg.

Goodeck.

Goodeck.

And we're here for NSRI. Frank, well first off why don't you all introduce yourselves and then we'll get into why we're here and then we'll start talking about the nukes. We don't have our own but.

I'm Frank Gavin from the Kissinger Center.

I'm Jane Bauman from Temple University.

I'm Ulrich Kuhn from the Institute for Peace Research and Security Policy in Hamburg.

And I'm Fierna Cunningham from the George Washington University.

And perhaps the second most thing about Fiona is three years ago,

we were in a crisis simulation together where we were both on team China with the German guy actually.

Yeah, yeah.

And we won despite what Zach Cooper says.

It involved nuclear weapons. Did you push the button? It did.

Did you push the button?

We, you know, no shadow the future and all that.

Frank, Jane, why don't you tell us a bit about NSRI and how this all got started and why we're here?

Sure, well, and why War on the Rocks listeners should care.

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