Hello and welcome to The Spectator podcast. I'm Lara Prendergast and on this week's episode

we'll be discussing whether Trump's latest war of words with North Korea could spill over into an actual war.

We'll also be looking at the Yazidi genocide three years on and asking whether we have already

forgotten this atrocity

in the Middle East. And finally, we'll be weighing up the benefits of a staycation and whether we should

all just spend the summer holiday in Britain. Donald Trump seems to be playing an increasingly

dangerous game when it comes to North Korea. In recent days, he has upped his rhetoric and said he

will unleash fire and fury if needed.

I'm now joined by Jacob Holbrun from the national interest,

Jonathan Fembe, the author of Will China Dominate the 21st Century,

and our deputy editor, Freddie Gray, to discuss.

So, Jacob, do you think it was a coincidence that Trump appeared to make a nuclear threat

towards North Korea

on the anniversary of the bombing of Nagasaki?

I doubt that he was aware of the anniversary.

It appears that the information in the Washington Post from the Defense Intelligence Agency

that North Korea is able to miniaturize a nuclear warhead infuriated Trump,

and he spontaneously lashed out at the North Korean regime during a photo op when he was asked

about his North Korea policy. So no, I don't think he was aware of it.

Fannie, do you think there's any chance of it on the edge of a nuclear war?

Well, I hope not. But I would disagree slightly with Jacob in that, I mean, like all things with

Trump, he seems to operate sort of a conscious and an unconscious level, and the conscious

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