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Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast.

I'm your host Tim Miller.

Delighted, welcome to the show,

a former deputy assistant to the president and senior director for European and Russian affairs on the U.S. National Security Council during part of Trump's first term. She's also a national intelligence officer for Russia and Eurasia at the U.S. National Intelligence Council. Currently, a senior fellow in foreign policy at Brookings. Her books include her memoir. There's nothing for you here finding opportunity in the 21st century. It's Fiona Hill.

How you doing? I'm doing all right. Thanks, Tim. Glad to be with you. I've been kind of a little bit of a

Fiona Hill fan girl for like six years now, you know, not fully. So I'm not fully briefed on your whole story.

And so I thought, you know, in 2018 and 19 in this period in Trump 1.0, these kind of

characters emerged into our lives, you know, because people had to pay attention to things

that normal people didn't pay attention to, you know, like what happened on national security

briefing calls between Eastern European countries and presidential advisors? And so for a lot of those

people, they kind of like, like you, they emerge from the ether. Like, how did you find

yourself testifying in Donald Trump's first impeachment, I guess? Could you give us like a little life story that landed you in that place? Yeah, I certainly asked myself that, you know, many times. I'm also glad to say that we came out, we came out the ether rather than the primordial swamp, which everybody else, you know, kind of as sort of accuses all of doing. I mean, look, I mean, you know, I started off life in a rather unexpected place. I mean, some of the people listening to this will know, you know, I start off of Northern England, daughter of a coal miner or a nursed while coal miner because all the mines closed down. My dad became a hospital porter. My mother, you know, was a midwife in, you know, one of those early bachelors of midwives trained by the National Health Service that kind of call the midwife from the BBC series. That makes you feel like you're 300 years old to say that your mother's a midwife. I just turned 60. So I'll buy it and actually, you know, well, thank you very much. When I look back at, you know, the little few pictures of my childhood, it certainly seems like it was in the 19th century, not long the 20th, you know.

It was like a totally world away from this. But the whole point was, you know, thanks to

expansion of education in the UK, you know, I get the education. My parents never did. It's actually

a great American story, actually, for people of my age in America as well. I get, you know,

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