If a small flock of cartoon bluebirds didn't help you get dressed this morning,

that just means you haven't yet listened to.

Fine-tuning with Jim Hill and Drew Taylor.

No, the black dress. Jim Hill and Drew Taylor.

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Thank you.

And now, Jim Hill.

Welcome to fine tuning with Drew Taylor, one-stop shop when it comes to animation

I'm Drew's co-host entertainment writer Jim Hill,

and he and I are recording this on Friday, May 3rd, 2019.

Tomorrow Drew, the 4th, I know Star Wars Day, but also it's the 19th anniversary of Steve Jobs persuading Bradbird to come work for

Pixar.

Oh, I didn't know that.

And as you know Brad Bird is a very close friend of mine now, you know, after my life to do his interview.

As I would expect, you know, I bring up Brad Bird because he was, I got to see him speak at the Academy of Motion

Picture Arts and Sciences a while back, and he had these interesting theories about

Hollywood. And one of them is that

Hollywood is a big dumb shark that whatever makes money whatever is successful

Hollywood wants to do again.

But the problem is they always learn the wrong lesson.

That, you know, for example, if two movies come out in the same summer

and they make money, but the leads are wearing red hats. That's the lesson that

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