how to write a brief for myself, how to think, how to follow, how to reflect, how to explore, how to deepen, how to ride the pain of not knowing what the heck I was doing and hating that feeling and how to keep going.

That was my programme tutor, programme leaders words all the time. said keep going keep going.

Keep going.

Don't bring me the, don't go away and do some paintings or some drawings or whatever he would say.

But don't bring me anything until he'd done 50 because they won't be interesting.

Hello,

I don't be interesting.

Hello and welcome to Arjus.

This is honest, generous and humorous conversations that will feed your

creative soul and get you thinking with me Alice Sheridan and this week I have a guest.

Her name is Christine Evans and we've just been having a lovely chat so make sure you listen all the way through to the outtakes because as we said those are often the best bit.

Christine say hello and let's see where you're calling in from.

I am sitting in my sitting room.

I'm in my house in Chester, North of England. I love having these kind of conversations because I know you guys listening.

You're listening while you're doing all sorts of things, walking the dog, working, cleaning cupboards, all sorts of stuff.

We see a lot of people doing incredible things on podcasts on social media and I think there is a tendency to feel,

okay, there is a distance between me and them,

what we're doing, what they're doing,

and one of the things that makes the podcast special for me is closing that gap and it's great having fantastic amazing artists that we all kind of admire and aspire to but for me it's when it's real people doing things that really matter for them that's what lights me up and I first remember

Christine when she had a different name on Instagram you are were you hiding a

little bit behind your name?

No, not at all.

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