Thank you for joining us for episode 494 of Live Happy Now.

This week, we're doing something a little bit different by sharing an episode from our sister podcast, Built to Win.

In this episode, Live Happy CEO and Neura co-CEO, Deborah Heise, sits down with Dr. Robin Hanley Defoe to talk about

resilience. Robin, who's an author, speaker, and educator, specializes in workplace well-being and is a

sought-after expert on resilience. She shares her inspiring personal story and tells us about the

practices we can use to become more resilient in both our personal and professional lives.

Let's have a listen.

Welcome, Robin.

Oh, I'm so excited to be here.

Thank you for the invitation.

So I think it's fair for our listeners to get an idea of why this is your focus of study.

I mean, I've heard your story, and it's fascinating

to me. Share with us a little bit about how'd you start getting in the resilience space.

So my journey into being somebody who studies human resiliency and performance was definitely

not linear. I was somebody who experienced a lot of adversity during my adolescent season.

It was a very, very dark season. I really struggled

academically. And I think what happened so often is when we struggle academically, we start to

struggle socially as well. And it was just this really difficult time for myself and my family.

And I was very fortunate, though, because my, gosh, my family loved me so hard, but helplessly.

But eventually we got to that point where my family decided to relocate.

And we moved to a new community where I was able to do the work.

I was able to get clean.

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