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When someone's facing an unplanned pregnancy, we have to remember, like, God is going to just strengthen your family.

This little one is part of your family. And so, you know, we just have to walk it out. And, you know, with our church family that responded so well, I think we need to be that church.

That will meet these young women and young men and disciple them and get into their lives and grow them. But also be a church where if there's abortion, because we know one in four in the church, that also they know that there's healing.

Serena Dikeson is with us today on Focus on the Family and your host is Focus President and author Jim Daly.

I'm John Fuller and this program will contain some elements that aren't suitable for younger audiences. So please, if you've got children nearby, direct them elsewhere. But Lina, this is a terrific broadcast we have for you today.

John, I'm so pleased to have Serena back with us. Last time we discussed her story of abuse and trauma at the handover uncle. And then as a result of that, the suffering she experienced from an abortion.

I can't imagine all that happening at 13. And, you know, God doesn't leave us in anguish if we lean into him. And she went on to share the grace that she discovered the kind that only God can give us. And that's what we concentrated on last time.

And if you missed the broadcast, go to the website or get it on your smartphone. You can listen to every program that way. But it really was good. And I so appreciate her vulnerability.

Today, we're going to talk about the healing process where God did show up and how he took care of both her and her husband Bruce and Bruce is joining us today as well.

Yeah, we're glad to have him here in the studio. Serena is the author of the book. She found his grace, a true story of hope, love and forgiveness after abortion.

And of course, we have copies of that book here at the ministry. You can learn more about our guests and about Serena's ministry by the same name as the title of her book. We'll link over to all of that in the show notes or give us a call.

Our numbers 800 a family and Bruce owns and operates a contracting company and Bruce and Serena live in Indiana. They have four children to adults here on earth and two in heaven as you say. And you also have grandchildren, which is great. One more on the way I understand.

And Serena, as I mentioned, has a great ministry to post a board of women will hear more about that today. Serena, welcome back. Thank you.

Bruce, it's great to have you in here. Thank you. Let me ask you this question because so often today, I mean, we delay becoming an adult until whenever 30.

You know, it's just something that the culture now says, I'm sure when you share with people, even in Christian circles, yeah, we were, you know, 18, 17 when we got married and people go, you were kids.

But in reality, you've got the stuff to make it work. Obviously, you're still married. How many years have you been married? 29.

29 years. So you can't say that it didn't work. It's not to say that it wasn't easy. Right. I mean, I'm sure it had difficulty. But you did it. And I just kind of refreshing, I guess, to say, okay, this happened.

The right thing to do was to get married and you did it. That's amazing. Congratulations. Thank you.

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