Hi Paul. Hi Ardly. How are you doing? I'm doing great. How are you? I'm so good. It's so great to have you on Small Town Dicks. Oh I am so happy to be here. So we want to know how did we persuade you to join us here on Small Town Dicks. Oh it was it was a lot of arm twisting. Not the truth.

Well what has always impressed me about Small Town Dicks is the professionalism. First you have your authenticity. You know Dan and Dave, myself we come out of real crime. We've had real experiences. And so the audience, the listeners are getting from Small Town Dicks. What actually happens out there. Not something that's been glamorized. But also you guys don't exploit the cases. You're empathetic to the victims. And this is what I'm all about. And I know that people who know me from

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At no point in this conversation does he ever deny the types of behaviors that she's accusing him of. He's so much more than I thought.

At no point in this conversation does he ever deny the types of behaviors that she's accusing him of. He said, if you tell the police what's been happening that's going to put me in jail. But your mom's probably going to jail too.

When a serious crime is committed in a small town a handful of detectives are charged with solving the case. I'm yardly and I'm fascinated by these stories. So I invited my friends detectives Dan and Dave to help me gather the best true crime cases from around the country and have the men and women who investigated them tell us how it happened.

I'm Dan and I'm Dave where identical twins from small town USA. Dave investigated sex crimes and crimes against children. He's now a patrol sergeant at his police department. Dan investigated violent crimes. He's now retired. Together we have more than two decades experience and have worked hundreds of cases.

We've altered names, places, relationships, and certain details in these cases to maintain the privacy of the victims and their families. So we ask you to join us in protecting their true identities as well as the locations of these crimes out of respect for everyone involved. Thank you.

Today on Small Town Dicks we have the usual suspects. We have the dream team. We have Detective Dave. Hello, please to be back. Please to have you and we have Detective Dan. Hello, team.

Hi, team. It's just us chickens today. Dave, you have a really interesting case for us. So take it away.

So I'll preface this. I know that some people are more affected by certain types of cases. So this is a child sexual abuse case. I won't get into this specifics of the type of abuse. I promise the listener that it's an interesting case because it happens.

It happens kind of contemporaneously with another huge case that we had on this podcast in season one titled, Tempelo.

Looking back to this period of time, it was uncanny how many cases we had that were huge cases, big cases. One ran into the next, felt like we were running a sprint nonstop for several months.

This case comes to us where victim, her name is Kaylee high school aged. She's a teenager. She and her boyfriend Rick show up at our police agency in the lobby to actually report some concerning behavior involving a man that lives in the same house as Kaylee.

And his name is Leo. Kaylee describes that she lives with her mother Gina Leo as a family friend who also rents a room in this house. And then Kaylee has her two younger siblings who are elementary school aged.

Gina Kaylee's mother works a lot. She works a lot of hours. So Kaylee and her two younger siblings are at home alone with Leo fairly often.

When we talk about disclosures, Kaylee is typical of most people where she's subjected to contact and behavior and abuse. And finally, she tells when she's ready to tell.

Kaylee is understandably conflicted with what to do. She's worried about her mother's reaction to what she's going to disclose. And she's certainly worried about how Leo's going to handle any sort of disclosure.

Is she worried her mother won't believe her? That's an aspect to this. There's also some things that Leo's said to her in the past that make her worried that if she discloses this, that her mom's going to be in some sort of trouble.

So that grooming type stuff. He's trying to put in her head if you ever come forward with this. This doesn't just end badly for me. It ends badly for your mom and your whole family.

Leo has Kaylee convinced of this and Kaylee turns to her boyfriend, Rick. She trusts him and she starts to slowly disclose what types of behaviors Leo exposes her to when Gina is away at work.

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