Hey there, I'm Ashley with Crime Salad. And in this special episode, we're joined by Hope Houdin.

If you aren't yet familiar with Hope, we shared her story in our previous episode titled Fighting Against Philicide.

Now, before we begin, I want to give a gentle, important warning. In this conversation, we'll be discussing

sensitive topics, including suicide and the devastating loss of children's lives. Please take

care of yourself while listening and step away if you need to. Your mental health always comes

first.

Philicide is the deliberate act of a parent killing their own child.

As we speak with Hope, realize that she has been forced to walk in the aftermath of unimaginable tragedy, the loss of her two children.

And I'll admit it before learning your story, I wasn't very familiar with the term philicide. I mean, we've covered similar cases on

our podcast, but it struck me how rarely the word itself is used or how little this subject

is openly discussed.

Well, that's why we're bringing awareness to it, right? You don't know what it is until it happens to you,

and that was the case with me, and that was the case with my family and my friends. They had no

idea. And then I talked to Brandy Mori Pulse, and she found out what Felicide was through one of my TikTok videos.

So she had no idea when it first happened to her with Rowan, even what it was.

So we're trying to spread awareness and make sure that people use the actual term,

because I think in our culture, we know what murder suicide is and we know what suicide is,

but they don't use the word philicide in the media. They use murder suicide. So we're trying

to change that vocabulary so that it's more pronounced to the community so that they understand

what it is. Exactly.

And it's so important too because if I don't know about it and if Brandy didn't know about it,

like so many other people don't know about it.

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