Hello, I'm Dr. Stephen Hassan, and I'm honored and delighted to have a colleague and friend

for many, many years, Douglas Brooks. Thank you, Doug, for agreeing to do this podcast and this

interview in 2022 with me. We go back many years.

You're an attorney and your specialization

is litigating against multi-level marketing

pyramid schemes and cultish groups.

You've been featured in betting on zero,

the herbal life documentary that's online.

You also helped against the nexium consumer byline scam of Keith Reneery, who's now in jail

for 120 years for trafficking.

And you are tireless in wanting to educate and help raise up a consciousness about frauds and

schemes and mind control cults, but in this area known as MLMs or pyramid schemes. You're here in the Massachusetts area

with me. You've come to help talk with my former Congressman Barney Frank with Robert Fitzpatrick,

who came up. We did an interview there.

Unfortunately, it didn't go anywhere.

And you've really done a much deeper dive than anyone else that I'm aware of, especially an attorney about cults and mind control.

And you were an instrumental organizer in the first two-day global

conference against multi-level marketing groups, which is on MLMconference.com to this day,

and I was one of us speakers there, as you were, of course, as well.

And there's a new conference being planned for June 10th and 11th, I believe.

We're going to talk about that, too.

And what else do I want to say about you?

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