Hello, I'm Dr. Stephen Hassan, and I am delighted and honored to have with me an expert on sex trafficking in the law.

Kadisa Phelps, thank you so much for agreeing to do this podcast with me.

Before we go, I want to give a listen as a little background on you. You are someone who went through, you are a former member,

if I may say, or a survivor of sex trafficking, who was mentored, went to UCLA, got your MBA and your JD.

So you're an attorney as well as a business owner.

We met in the context years ago of you doing a training, a huge training for a fusion center

out in Southern California to all kinds of law

enforcement experts and rescue experts. And I was approached by someone who had read my book

and asked me if I thought pimps were like cult leaders. I said, I have limited knowledge, but I think so.

And he said, you want to meet some people who are experts,

and he introduced me kindly to you.

And you were like, this is awesome.

Come to L.A.

Be part of this training.

Please.

Let's work together. And that led to an introduction to Rachel

Thomas and the development of ending the game, which you were so vital and inspirational for.

And I want to say that there was a documentary made about your story and a book that, and your company is called Runaway Girl.

Is it still functioning?

Yes.

Great.

So you have helped survivors get trained and then go on and do other trainings because I didn't

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