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Rachel Swanson has become one of the top voices changing the fertility conversation.

She's a dietitian, researcher,

and author of the new book, Trying a Science Back Plan to Optimize Your Fertility. She works with everyone

from pro athletes to Vogue models and Fortune 500 execs, and she's reframing fertility as a sign

of vitality, not just reproduction. Hi, Rachel. Hi, it's so nice to be here with you. Well, I'm so glad you're here. We were just talking a little bit before the podcast, and I said, we just have to press record because I'm doing the podcast with you before the podcast. But I'm glad you said that, by the way, or else we would have kept going. Oh, totally. I was feeling like we were going to talk for an hour before the podcast.

So we'll just do this with the listeners listening and everyone can participate.

But I was telling you, it's been a minute since we've had any sort of fertility conversation on this podcast.

And, you know, I went through my own fertility journey.

I think that was back in 2018 and

2019. I was trying to freeze my eggs at an unsuccessful two-round attempts. But my experience

with that felt a little bit harsh and scientific and cold. And so when you were brought to me,

it was a refreshing objective on fertility. And I really

wanted to bring that to the listeners, because we do talk a lot about root causes, overall health,

diving into spirituality and emotional connections with your health. And so I just really feel like

what you're talking about is very in line

with that. So I know you talk about fertility 2.0 and that's kind of like an overriding

conversation for all of the work that you do. Can you explain to the listeners what that means?

Yeah, definitely. Well, I think, well, first, I mean, look, I'll talk about fertility 2.0 for

for an hour all day, but I guess I'll tell you a little bit of the backstory and how I arrive because I think what you'll find is it aligns your, what you just experience, you know, the coldness, the harshness, the clinical aspect. It actually aligned with what I view a lot of times going on with practice.

So I guess to give you context and backstory for a minute, well, for context, I do work full time

in clinical practice. I've been doing that since 2017. Well, I think of myself as really a

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