Trying to say that this is like a feminist jail is about assimilating feminism,

assimilating the like radical potential of feminism and the like dreams that feminism might have

into this kind of project and making feminism subject to something like incarceration.

I mean, there's a reason the term carcleral feminism exists, you know, and it's forced things like this. The Welcome to the death panel.

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I'm so excited today to be joined by two guests to talk about what are sometimes called

carceral humanist reform projects or reformist reforms, which are projects that under the

guise of, quote, addressing needs or creating humane replacement

for incarceration only truly strengthened the gateways of imprisonment and the sites where it happens.

Our first guest, Mon M, is an abolitionist organizer and member of No New Jails Network.

Mon is also the author of a recent op-ed arguing against so-called humane jails published in

Teen Vogue called feminist jail proposals contribute to mass incarceration.

Mon, welcome to the death panel.

Hi, thanks for having me.

Thank you so much for being here today.

And our second guest is Diana Joy.

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