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Welcome to this month's late night, Women's Hour,

where I'm joined by the Daily Record journalist Anna Burnside.

Hello.

Hello.

Chedera Gary, you will like the rawness,

aka the sunflower.

Yes, absolutely.

I should say author of What a Time to Be Alone

and known for the online campaign,

Sagi Boobes Matter.

Heta Hauer's lecturer in medieval literature at City University. London Heta, thank you for joining us.

Thanks for having me.

Shall we start?

Chedira, let's start with you.

Feminism focusing too much on men.

Right.

What's your beef here?

So a lot of women tend to say feminism focuses too much on men. I'm curious about that and I'm fascinated with the origins of that idea.

Feminism branches into so many different sections and so many everlasting conversations that loop on themselves. But a lot of people when they say does feminism focus too much on men, what a lot of them that realize that they're saying is that they're creating more lenience for men and they're trying to say, well, we should be kinder to men because they can't cry.

Do you feel you have to water down your feminism, Heta, when you talk about it to make it more palatable, top shop feminism?

I mean, I think I've been thinking about this a lot for the last few years, actually. Because I can kind of see both sides.

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