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The Morgan Housel Podcast

Fees vs. Fines: The Cost of Admission in Investing

The Morgan Housel Podcast

Morgan Housel

Business

4.91.1K Ratings

🗓️ 28 March 2025

⏱️ 12 minutes

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Summary

One of my favorite psychology studies showed that if you know a reward is coming, but you don't know exactly when, you are susceptible to losing your mind. Isn't it so similar in investing? 

Thanks to my friends at Ramp -- the best expense accounting system I've seen. For more check out ramp.com/morgan.

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0:00.0

One of my favorite quotes is from David Packard, who once said, more businesses die of indigestion

0:06.2

than of starvation. I see this all the time. It is so common with money, whether it is for you

0:12.2

individually or for your business, that people get so tangled up in the big complex projects

0:17.3

that they drop the ball on the small stuff. To do well over time, you have to get the

0:22.1

simple stuff right first. And one of those fundamentals in business that often gets overlooked

0:27.7

is expense management. And that is why 25,000 businesses use Ramp. Ramp is a corporate

0:34.9

card that includes the best expense tracking and reporting software that I have

0:39.1

ever seen. It makes expense management so simple by automatically capturing every transaction

0:45.1

the moment a card is swiped. For listeners of the show, Ramp is offering metal cards for the next 30

0:50.4

days. Just go to Ramp.com slash Morgan. That's Ramp.com slash Morgan. That's ramp.com slash Morgan. Cards are issued by

0:58.7

Sutton Bank, number FDIC, terms and conditions apply. Most academic studies in psychology

1:10.6

are pretty boring, at least how they're done.

1:14.3

The surveys, the tests that they run to try to figure out how people think.

1:18.3

Maybe the results are interesting, if you like reading that kind of stuff, but most of the tests

1:22.4

themselves are kind of boring.

1:24.2

But once in a while, you come across a test where you're like, oh, that is so well

1:28.4

designed. That was so genius. That is so fascinating. And one of my favorites, my favorite studies

1:34.8

that I've come across showing this, it's actually pretty well known. This is not that much of a

1:38.2

secret. It came from a Harvard psychologist named B.F. Skinner. B.F. Skinner did most of his work

1:43.7

at Harvard about a hundred

1:45.2

years ago, and his famous study that made his career, and I think was so interesting, is a study

1:51.1

that he did on pigeons. And B.F. Skinner wanted to figure out the science, the psychology of incentives.

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