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Hello Monday with Jessi Hempel

Feeling Empty? Arthur Brooks Has a Formula for a Meaningful Life

Hello Monday with Jessi Hempel

LinkedIn

Careers, Business

4.71.1K Ratings

🗓️ 20 April 2026

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

When was the last time you felt truly bored? And when was the last time your life felt genuinely meaningful? For Harvard social scientist Arthur Brooks, those two questions are more connected than you might think. This week on Hello Monday, Jessi Hempel sits down with Arthur Brooks — professor at Harvard Business School, bestselling author, and one of the most compelling thinkers on happiness and purpose — to dig into his new book, The Meaning of Your Life: Finding Purpose in an Age of Emptiness.  In this episode, Jessi and Arthur discuss: Why so many high-achievers feel empty even when everything is going right How our devices are literally pushing us into the wrong hemisphere of the brain, and why eliminating boredom may have accidentally eliminated meaning The psychology of strivers: why so many driven, successful people are secretly running on a fear that idleness means they'll stop being loved The "arrival fallacy": why reaching your goals so often feels like a letdown, and what that tells you about whether you were chasing the right things The four types of career paths, and why "spiral" careers — built from a series of reinventions — may be the most fulfilling model for this moment How to retrofit a sense of calling into the job you already have Arthur's gut-check formula for evaluating any career opportunity: 80% excitement, 20% fear, 0% deadness Why suffering and meaning share the same part of the brain — and why trying to avoid all pain may be the very thing standing between you and a purposeful life This episode is for anyone who has achieved what they set out to achieve and still found themselves wondering, "Is this it?" — and for anyone still figuring out what they're actually working toward. This conversation was recorded live. If you’re a premium member, you can watch the extended version, featuring lots more audience questions, here. Follow Arthur Brooks and Jessi Hempel on LinkedIn.

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0:00.0

We go back to my great-grandfather, Leroy Brooks,

0:02.5

from Olathe, Kansas, born in 1862. I obviously didn't know him. But I can tell you one thing, he never came back from work at the end of the day and said, honey, I had a panic attack behind a mule today. I wouldn't have had to write the book called The Meaning of Your Life, finding purpose in an age of emptiness, 100 years ago. Because that's the way life was actually. But

0:22.7

now, you know, people are buying the book

0:24.8

because they say, what do I do? And the answer

0:26.8

is live like Leroy in a way.

0:28.8

But that requires discipline. That requires

0:30.6

focus.

0:34.1

From LinkedIn News, I'm Jesse Hempel

0:36.6

and this is Hello Monday.

0:39.3

A few years ago I wrote a book, maybe a lot of you remember it.

0:43.5

It was the big dream of my life and I remember that publication day came and publication

0:48.8

day went.

0:50.2

And I don't know exactly how I was supposed to feel about the whole thing, but I know how I did feel.

0:56.0

Kind of blah. You know, empty.

1:00.0

I mean, maybe you have felt this way about things that were really meaningful to you, at least outwardly so.

1:06.0

The big, successful moments, you think, isn't it supposed to feel a certain way

1:12.9

Arthur Brooks has a name for this he calls it the meaning gap it's that grand

1:17.7

gnawing space between how any of us think we should feel in our lives and how we actually

1:23.2

feel now I just love talking to Arthur about this kind of stuff because as a social scientist

1:29.7

at Harvard, he literally studies why we feel the way we feel and what we can do to feel better.

1:36.5

His new book is called The Meaning of Your Life, Finding Purpose in an Age of Emptiness.

1:42.1

And he joined me in the studio recently to break down exactly what I'm talking about,

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