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And now, here's Gene Steinberg.

So we are back here again after an amazing episode last week with Leslie Kane.

Now, she talked about UFOs and the series of articles she co-wrote for the New York Times. Not the failing New York Times, it's not failing the digital version makes money.

So we'll get away from that.

And her book Surviving Death in 2017.

Now, back to the UFO thing, she mentioned that a year or two back, one of the stories

she co-wrote was the number 10 most popular story in terms, I guess, views on the New York

Times digital edition about UFOs.

And the old gray lady, the digital version. That is fascinating.

Randall? Yeah, I like Leslie's stick to it attitude with this. She's been out

it long enough now that even people in the uphology community who maybe weren't quite sure about her at first,

they're saying, well, no, she's really done a fantastic job of bringing it out to the general public

in a way that's been more acceptable to people. And she's the one, I think, who has been the point on the acts that is

chipped through the ice to get it out into the mainstream news.

Well, that's, I think, almost amazing that something of that sort happened after all this

time. Out of the blue.

In December 2017, we're reading an article and learning about this Pentagon program about UFOs.

And then I look at the authors, and one of them is Leslie Kane.

Oh, that's what she's been doing.

Out of the blue. And suddenly, a lot of places take UFOs more seriously than they did before because of the New York Times and Politico are

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