Hi, everybody. Welcome. If you follow me on social media, you probably know that I'm a little bit of an FDR nut.

I quote him a lot on Twitter and so forth. I've been reading biographies about him. I've always been

fascinated not only by him, but by his wife, Eleanor. So I'm very excited today to have an opportunity to speak to a great scholar, a real expert on Franklin Roosevelt and on his presidency.

Harvey Kay is Professor Emeritus of Democracy and Justice at the University of Wisconsin at Green Bay.

He is a labor unionist and historical and political commentator and a frequent guest on progressive shows in every medium.

He's authored and edited 18 books, including Thomas Payne and The Promise of America.

I hope to have him come back another time and talk about Thomas Payne.

And the promise of America, the fight for the four freedoms, freedom of religion, freedom

of speech, freedom from want and freedom from fear.

Those were the four freedoms that FDR talked about.

Take hold of our history.

That's the subtitle for the fight for Four Freedoms and FDR on Democracy,

this book right here. Let's get right to it. What an honor meet Professor Harvey Kay. Harvey Kay, thank

you. Thank you so much for being with me. I'm really excited about this conversation.

I bet I'm more excited than you are.

Oh, that's so kind of you.

Well, I have, first of all, I want to tell you about my father a little bit.

When I was growing up, no matter what election there ever was, and he died in 1995, if you ever asked my father who'd you vote for daddy he'd say roosevelt so i was raised with a great love of roosevelt you know it was part of the stories of

my growing up the things that he had done for the country and for my father specifically his

having grown up in poverty and for my father specifically his having grown up

in poverty and so forth. But as I have grown older and as I have gone through the challenges

of my own generation, history has mattered more and more to me for the ways that it informs.

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