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The Politics Guys

FBI in Crisis, Venezuelan Strikes, Listener Questions

The Politics Guys

Michael Baranowski

Politics, News

4.4783 Ratings

🗓️ 23 September 2025

⏱️ 19 minutes

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Summary

Mike and Michael open with the turmoil inside the FBI under Director Kash Patel, highlighting Patel’s public clashes with Congress, mass agent departures, and lawsuits alleging unlawful firings. Michael argues that Patel is dangerously unqualified and politicizing the Bureau, while Mike stresses the long-term damage caused by the loss of experienced agents and the trend toward authoritarian-style loyalty tests. Next, they turn to the U.S. military’s sinking of Venezuelan boats allegedly tied to drug trafficking, which killed over a dozen people. Michael warns that the strikes are illegal, reckless, and set a chilling precedent, while Mike emphasizes the cruelty and performative toughness behind such actions, questioning what it says about America’s political culture. After that, Mike poses a series of listener-inspired questions to Michael: he reflects on his conflicted views about capital punishment, considers possible Republican contributions like limited budget guardrails, and stresses the need for long-term thinking on issues such as immigration, climate change, and fiscal responsibility. The guys close with listener questions on political “othering” and whether Disney boycotts will matter. Michael points to the dangers of demonizing opponents and agrees boycotts are more about personal expression than real impact, while Mike highlights the rarity of effective boycotts and the broader risks when dissent itself is cast as un-American. The Politics Guys on Facebook | X Check out the excellent Sustainable Planet podcast. Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. You can support us or change your level of support at patreon.com/politicsguys or politicsguys.com/support. On Venmo, we’re @PoliticsGuys. The Politics Guys is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Atheists, agnostics, long-haired widows, short-haired widows, van roo. The government, hug the government, love.

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The government, hug the government, love.

1:11.4

The government, hug the government. Welcome to the politics, guys the government, hug the government, love the government,

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hug the government. Welcome to the politics, guys, a place for bipartisan, rational, and civil debate on American politics and policy. I'm Northern Kentucky University political scientist,

1:21.9

Michael Baranowski. I am once again joined by political scientist Michael Levy.

1:27.7

We were also going to be joined by Sam Dewey, but Sam is, as I mentioned, on the weekend show,

1:34.4

MIA, and while we release these a few days apart, we actually record them at the same time.

1:39.5

And so it's just going to be Michael and me, two political scientists named Michael.

1:45.0

That's maybe a first for the show.

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