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Overthink

Fatphobia with Kate Manne

Overthink

Ellie Anderson, Ph.D. and David Peña-Guzmán, Ph.D.

Philosophy, Society & Culture, Education

4.7549 Ratings

🗓️ 30 January 2024

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

“They find our bodies repulsive.” On episode 96 of Overthink, Ellie and David bring on Dr. Kate Manne, philosopher and author of Unshrinking: How to Face Fatphobia. She explains the moral failures and biomedical perils of our fatphobic culture and its misleading imperative to diet. This look at the politics of fat, fatness, and fatphobia in the philosophical canon and beyond to reveal rich links to questions of accessibility, justice, and intimacy. Should we trust the BMI (Body Mass Index) as a measure of health? Is the future in Ozempic? Why are we encouraged to see our body’s biological need for nutrition as “food noise”? And what might it take to hear the music of our human bodily diversity?

Check out the episode's extended cut here!

Works Discussed

Paul Campos, The Obesity Myth
Ancel Keys, et al., “Indices of relative weight and obesity”
Adolphe Quetelet, On Man and the Development of His Faculties
Sabrina Strings, Fearing the Black Body
Audre Lorde, A Piece of Light
Thomas Nagel, “Free Will”
Kate Manne, Unshrinking: How to Face Fatphobia
Overthink
ep 27. From Body Positivity to Fat Feminism (feat. Amelia Hruby)

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Before getting into today's episode, we just want to mention that we will be discussing dieting and disordered eating.

0:19.6

Welcome to Overtink. The podcast where two philosophy professors connect big ideas with everyday life.

0:24.2

I'm your co-host, Dr. David Pena-Gusman.

0:27.0

And I'm Dr. Ellie Anderson.

0:28.9

David, one thing I was really struck by is a Harvard study in 2019 showing that fat phobia is the only form of implicit bias they studied that has gotten

0:40.8

worse since 2007. These researchers who started studying implicit bias back in 2007 investigated

0:48.5

race, skin tone, sexual orientation, age, disability, and body weight. And they found that the implicit bias

0:57.2

around body weight is the only one that's gotten worse since they started their study. In fact,

1:02.0

the majority of people still harbored explicit anti-fat biases at the end of the study in 2016.

1:09.0

So not only has this implicit bias towards fat people gotten worse since 2007, for a majority of the study in 2016. So not only has this implicit bias towards fat people gotten

1:12.5

worse since 2007, for a majority of the study participants, it's not just implicit. It's actually

1:17.5

explicit. Yeah, so much for all those fantasies that we liberals like to entertain about the

1:23.8

inevitability of social progress with time, right? The idea that people get increasingly

1:29.5

included in our circle of moral concern, this gives us recent to think that maybe that's not

1:35.5

the way things usually go down. Yeah, and our interviewee of the day, Kate Mann, talks about

1:41.7

this in her book on shrinking, which we're going to be speaking to her about

1:44.6

at length a bit later. But she notes that this study really reveals how it's also a fantasy

1:50.5

that contact with members of a marginalized group reduces the biases that they face from the rest

1:56.0

of the population. Because she notes that nearly three quarters of Americans are classified as

2:00.5

overweight or obese,

2:01.9

according to BMI charts.

2:04.1

Yeah, and I mean, BMI by itself is just such a bogus concept.

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