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Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay

Fatherhood and Forgiveness With Roy Wood Jr., Plus Ed Zitron Breaks Down the “AI Bubble”

Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay

The Ringer

Society & Culture

4.811.3K Ratings

🗓️ 28 October 2025

⏱️ 114 minutes

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Summary

Van and Rachel talk Kamala Harris’s political future, New York Representative Hakeem Jeffries endorsing Zohran Mamdani, and the Cash Money vs. No Limit ‘Verzuz’ battle before Roy Wood Jr. joins to discuss his new memoir, 'The Man of Many Fathers.' Then technology writer Ed Zitron joins to break down the economic impact of AI. (0:00) Intro (1:00) Kamala Harris running again? (9:53) Hakeem Jeffries endorses Mamdani (18:57) Roy Wood Jr. joins the show (1:12:51) Ed Zitron on AI (1:45:29) ‘Verzuz’: Cash Money vs. No Limit (1:50:30) Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear on "inclusion and exclusion" Hosts: Van Lathan Jr. and Rachel Lindsay Guests: Roy Wood Jr. and Ed Zitron Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith Video Supervision: Chris Thomas Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher Learning is on is Ivan Latham Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Interview heavy show today. We got Roy Wood Jr. Beautiful conversation. Beautiful conversation on fatherhood of his brand new book. We also got Ed Zittron that's going to come on. And he's going to come on and talk about AI, artificial general intelligence, data centers, Rachel's portfolio. You're heavily invested into AI. I didn't say I was heavily invested, but as Ed will say, we all kind of are tied to it in some way or another. And if those things that Van said did not make sense to you, like they don't for me at times, Ed explains it all. Ed explains at all. Can AI become something that thinks for itself? We'll see. It's interesting because I feel like I left, I'm definitely informed, but now I'm scared for new reasons. The reasons that scared me before, they're not the same. But I'm still scared. That's a great question, by the way.

1:13.0

I particularly like the question that you asked about the housing bubble. It's a great thing. It's in my research. Thank you. All right. Let's get into the show. Kamala Harris is back. She was talking to the BBC and she said she might run for President Donnie. Stories of your baby nieces, Amara and Lila. When are they going to see a woman in charge in the White House?

1:13.6

In their lifetime for sure.

1:15.6

Could it be you?

1:17.6

Possibly.

1:19.6

Have you made a decision yet?

1:21.6

No, I have not.

1:22.6

But you say in your book, I'm not done.

1:24.6

That is correct. I am not done.

1:26.6

I have lived my entire career a life of service.

1:31.6

And it's in my bones.

1:34.0

And there are many ways to serve.

1:36.0

I've not decided yet what I will do in the future beyond what I am doing right now.

1:42.1

Okay.

1:43.3

Kamala Harris hints that she might run for president again. Is that something that excites you, Rachel? I can't really look at it that way. I don't look at it as a way that excites me. I think that Kamala Harris has to answer the question in this way. She has to keep the door open. She has to let it be known that there's some sort of possibility. I don't think that she will run. I really don't. But I understand why she would want to, and I feel bad for her. And I've explained that before when we were talking about her book 107 days. I feel bad for the position that she's been placed in. Yes, she tried to run before. Didn't work. She became the vice president. Then they put her in in unimpossible situation pretty much for her run for the presidency.

2:20.4

And as a person who has been successful in every time she's run, she's been successful

2:26.1

when you look at her political career.

2:28.0

And then to be placed in this position when she was running for president, she really

2:31.1

didn't have a full fair shot.

2:33.1

So I understand why the competitor in her would want to run again. She really didn't have a full fair shot. So I understand why the

2:34.4

competitor in her would want to run again. I really do. But the position that she's in right now,

2:41.6

I hope she's not done. Let me just say that. I do hope that she's not done as far as wanting to be

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