What's going on? Welcome back to the Jordan Sciet mini podcast. I have a great episode for you today with Mike Matthews.

He's a really good friend and colleague of mine. He's also the owner of Legion Athletics, which is the only supplement company I've used for many, many, many years.

And we discuss a lot in this conversation, but two of the most important and relevant discussions in this conversation are number one,

how much muscle can you expect to build in the first year, two years, three years, and throughout your entire training career?

We talk about this from both the male and female perspective, so assuming you are not taking anabolic steroids and assuming you're training consistently and getting good sleep and your nutritionism check,

how much muscle can you actually realistically expect to build?

Which I thought that was a really good conversation because so many fitness marketers lead people astray with outlandish claims of build 30 pounds of muscle in 30 days and blah, blah, blah.

So we wanted to break down exactly what you can expect assuming you're doing everything right.

And we also talk about fat burners because as I said, Mike is the owner of Legion Athletics.

As you know, if you've heard me for a while, I'm not a fan of fat burners and Mike does sell fat burning pills in the Legion supplement line, which I have never taken and I don't plan to take.

But I wanted to address that. I wanted to ask him why he sells them, why as a science based professional, he actually believes in them, what he puts in them.

And this way you can hear us have this conversation between the two of us who even though we're great friends, we do tend to disagree on this topic.

And I wanted you to hear both of our thoughts on it so you could make the decision for yourself.

So with that said, let's get into the episode.

All right, Mike, we're live, man. How's it going?

Pretty good. Thank you for asking and thank you for having me back on the show. I appreciate the opportunity.

Yeah, man. So the last time we spoke, we had a big conversation about supplements. I'll put a link to that podcast in the show notes.

Really quickly before we dive into that whole episode, could you just do me a favor introduce yourself in case there are people who don't know who you are or what you do.

And also, I know you have the muscle for life book coming out. I believe you said January 11th. You want to tell them about that.

Just give a little introduction to you in the book and what's going on in your life.

Yeah, yeah. So let's see, I'm Mike and I do fitness things. That's usually my, that's usually my answer to people.

Oh, so what do you do? I'm like, you know, I do fitness things. What do you mean? I have some books and, you know, a sports nutrition company.

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