The reason I felt like I needed to write my second book was because the first one I wrote was very helpful for a lot of people but it didn't have any nuance and it was just like basically me like banging a stick on chalkboard and being like this is the truth that's great, because people need that in the beginning,

and I did.

But there's like so much more.

So I was like, I have to write another book where

I talk about how I don't know anything.

You are listening to made of human,

also known as the Mopard a podcast hosted by Sophie

Hagen who is a Danish comedian

Mopahh, trying to find out how to do life, but it turns out nobody knows Mopah.

Nobody knows Mopah.

Hello, thank you for, I was only tuning in, but you don't really tune into a podcast, do you?

Thank you for turning it on, pressing play, downloading it. I'm not sure. But thank you. Thank you for doing that. This is the episode with Jess Baker who you might also know as the militant baker which is her social media brand

I don't even know what it's called her alias her all of her social media stuff is at the Milles and Baker.

She just has written two books about fat activism.

She is incredible.

So she did this podcast about, what was it a year, maybe two years ago, over Skype, which was the first time I'd seen her, the first time we'd spoken where it wasn't in writing, and then we've since them become friends and quite good

friends I consider what like it's a top five of my friends and guys I have a lot of friends like I'm super popular.

She's one of the most intelligent just I don't know what's the word even just kind and compassionate and

of compassionate and one of the most like willing to fail and willing to be told that she's failed and willing to do better, willing to listen.

Like she instinctively gets what people need and she's incredible basically. and we arranged to do this show at the

Union Chapel in the beginning of January where we had a lot of amazing artists

on I've gone on about that for too long so you know about it and she came over this the first time we met in real life and it was it felt like we'd been

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