people just are way messier than we want to think of ourselves as being like we're all incredibly messy.

There is sort of this amorphous pressure to just become like a fabricie egg of social justice.

This perfect intricate fragile self-contained little world.

It feels like a really complicated moment. There aren't necessarily like single actors.

There isn't like a flagship person who's like the face of asking everyone to do everything perfectly.

But there are a thousand little murmurs from people asking you to do everything perfectly.

And that also feels really challenging because that's not how change happens.

Who hurt your podcast would so be Hagen, Danish comedian,

podcast author, beauty, and your best friend that you never hear from anymore.

Today I am again speaking to Aubrey Gordon. You might be like what? I don't remember an

Aubrey Gordon being on the podcast before and you are right to be confused.

Because Aubrey has only been on this podcast in the past under her secret pseudonym,

you are that friend. Back when she was anonymous due to, you know, normal activity stuff like

men wanting to kill her for being a fat feminist online. But now she has released a book called

what we don't talk about when we talk about fat and she has taken off the mask and she is here

as Aubrey Gordon. And as always we have an amazing chat. I could easily talk to Aubrey nonstop

until we both died, which according to trolls is soon seeing us we're both so fat because she's

so fun and she's so clever. So how about you just get ready to enjoy this interview with my fat

friend Aubrey Gordon. It's March 30th 2021. The UK still in lockdown due to COVID-19. I am one

vaccination in nine weeks to go. Before number two, yay to a rare occurrence of fat privilege.

I am sitting in my kitchen. It's 6 p.m. and my dog and now co-host Hank is sleeping underneath

the table, but he might get up and make the occasional sound throughout our conversation.

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