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Welcome to Late Night Woman's Hour with me, Emma Barnett,

where we invite a group of women to share what's on their mind

and what's getting them going at the moment.

So who's around the table with me today?

I'm very pleased to introduce to Viv Groskop, writer and broadcaster,

Juno Dawson, the author and Kenya Hunt, deputy editor of Elle

magazine. Welcome to you all. Can you talk to us about how fashion is getting political?

You know, it's been an interesting year for fashion because I think for a very long time,

people would look at the fashion industry and view it as being an industry that got a lot of things wrong.

I mean, even when you look at movies like The Devil Wors Prada, everything from like behavior,

like not necessarily being very nice, to promoting mindless consumption that harms the environment

to not being representative of the people who consume its imagery.

And so I think, you know,

in a number of areas, you have brands and media titles and casting agents who are recognizing that, you know, things have to change. And also as the world changes, as the landscape

changes that, of course, has influenced the industry as well.

And you have people realizing that we can't necessarily operate in a bubble, which is, you know, it's about time.

So we're starting to see lots of major, major luxury brands, sports brands, high street brands, start really engaging in the activist space, which is really quite fascinating because I don't know about you guys,

but for me, I grew up being told that you should never talk about politics or religion

in mixed company because you don't know what people's feelings are and that sort of thing.

And I think for brands, that was especially the case because it was just viewed as being

quite risky, you know, it's dicey territory to take a stand. But now we're seeing

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