Farage Crawls Out, Riots Break Out & Bartlett's Three Glasses of Wine
The Trawl
Jemma Forte & Marina Purkiss
4.7 • 867 Ratings
🗓️ 3 June 2026
⏱️ 51 minutes
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Summary
Marina and Jemma kick things off with a spirited takedown of "optimisation culture" - sparked by a viral clip of Diary of a CEO's Stephen Bartlett dramatically declaring that three glasses of wine ruined his life (his Whoop watch told him so). Marina and Jemma are not having it. Yes, sleep matters, yes, balance is key - but why are we KPI-ing ourselves into misery? As Marina puts it: you don't need to arrive in your coffin in pristine condition FFS.
Then things get darker. Marina and Jemma turn to the heartbreaking and senseless murder of Henry Nowak in Southampton and the utterly vile opportunism that followed - Nigel Farage crawling out from under his rock (after missing 77 consecutive parliamentary votes, by the way) to tell people to feel "cold rage," while Elon Musk and Tommy Robinson piled on. The family asked for unity. These people chose riots.
There's also the ongoing Reform chaos, including a truly painful interview with would-be MP Robert Kenyon, whose main defence for not understanding maternity policy is essentially "it doesn't affect me." Checks out.
They close on some much-needed lightness: a Springsteen lyric that will ruin a song for you forever, a brilliant man absolutely flooring a misogynist in debate, and a stunning Emmy speech from journalist Josh Rushing that, just about, restores your faith in humanity. Three glasses of wine optional...
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| 0:00.0 | If reforms scrapped the Equality Act has promised hundreds of 100,000 people could be as workplace protections, how does that sort of be? |
| 0:08.0 | Again, I'd have to have a good look into it to see which protections, loose ends, mixed messages and own goals, and attempt to make sense of them. |
| 0:36.0 | I'm Marina Perkis. |
| 0:37.2 | And I'm Gemma Forte and Marina. |
| 0:40.8 | It's Wednesday, Wednesday, midweek. So kind of the point I get to where I think I need a little |
| 0:47.9 | tipple, perhaps. You had one yesterday. Don't even lie. She had three glasses yesterday. She'd |
| 0:54.5 | missed it pre-record. I've been busy girl. And actually, looking forward to this weekend very |
| 0:59.4 | much, because on Friday, you and I are both going to a dinner party. And I love a dinner party. |
| 1:04.2 | We're actually going to Yasmin Alibaya Browns, the journalist, amazing woman. So we'll be |
| 1:09.0 | having a lovely catch-up. And I suspect some incredible food, I've heard rumors. She's a fabulous cook. And enjoying a, yeah, just a few glasses of wine. Just a few, not too many. No. In fact, certainly not three. Because if you have three glasses, Gemma, it can ruin your life. Oh, right. Because it apparently ruined Stephen Barlett's |
| 1:28.9 | life. He's the guy from the Diary of a CEO podcast. Three glasses of wine, ruined his life. Have a listen. |
| 1:34.8 | I had a couple of glasses of wine. Didn't get drunk. It ruined three days of my life because of the domino |
| 1:39.9 | effect it caused. So it meant that I got worse sleep that night. And then because I got worse sleep |
| 1:44.0 | that night, I ate more poorly the next day because my, my dopamine system or whatever, the cortisol system was all messed up. And then I podcasted worse. I didn't go to the gym the day after, that day or the day after because of that because I felt really bad. I then slept worse. And I could track all of this on my week. Hashtag ad, hashtag sponsor, hashtag investor, whatever. |
| 2:02.3 | Oh. |
| 2:03.3 | Holy fucking shit. |
| 2:04.9 | Stop being a pussy. |
| 2:08.6 | What is this about? |
| 2:09.9 | What is this about? |
| 2:11.2 | Fair enough, if you want to be T-Total or whatever. |
| 2:13.9 | But I'm so bored of this, what what's called optimizing culture. He had three glasses |
| 2:19.6 | of wine and he wasn't doing his best podcasting. We've done podcasting on three glasses of wine. |
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