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Welcome and thank you for tuning in today.

This podcast is a real passion project for us at Goop.

Twice a week, we sit down with a guest who has the potential to change the way we look

at the world.

You'll hear a lot from my chief content officer, Elise Loonin, who's incredibly curious

and brilliant.

And you'll hear from me, of course.

Today, Elise is talking to one of the most talented writers of our time, Danny Shapiro.

Danny is the best-selling author of four memoirs, including Devotion and Hourglass.

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