We didn't really get on growing up. We were opposite sides of the same coin.

You know, I've always had to work for everything in my life, really hard. When it came time to like invite him in, I just was annoyed. How do you stay desperate and dependent upon the Lord in the good seasons and in the successful seasons? I lost that job that we moved for. So we were on the other side of the world, no friends, their family. It was pretty difficult times for us.

You know, we were sleeping on beds made out of clothes. You know, weren't always quite sure where the next meal was going to come from. How do you lip suffering on its head to see it as I'm going to let this produce more faith? Did God give you the gifts? So then why are you soaking up the praise? And music's actually the thing that sort of flipped the magnet around the other way that kind of brought us back together.

Sometimes the greatest way I think of brought us back together.

Sometimes the greatest way I think that God can love you is by allowing you to suffer

and go through some struggle.

What's up, guys?

Welcome back to another episode of the Stay True podcast.

I'm your host, Madison Pruitt Trout, and I have with me in the

podcast studio and a new setup, by the way. I have two new friends that I'm so excited for this

episode for you guys to get to hear from. We have Joel and Luke Smallbone here for King and

Country. I'm so, so excited. You guys have multiple Grammy Awards. You

guys have multiple number one hits. You guys had the new unsung hero film, which I saw,

which was amazing, by the way, and also received awards. And so I am so excited for this

conversation. We were talking right before this. Luke and I have met before,

but I have not met Joel. Never. This is. But it is weird. Okay, this is, this is, this is a lot going on here.

Yeah, I wish you guys would have heard the prior conversation, honestly. This is a big deal because

we've got these microphones. This is your new setup. It's a new season. It's the spring.

Yeah. Everything is good. If you're not watching, if you're just listening, you need to jump on

YouTube and watch because she's got this like the stay true situations here. Logo box microphone.

But I've met, okay, so I've met Luke and I've also met your sister Rebecca because we were at this conference together and speaking together and she was singing, I was speaking, and then we had this little panel. No, a different event. Different event. Okay. We talked about. So you don't know me, but I know you. Oh, no, but I've seen you on movies.

So listen, there's so many.

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