FALLING INTO THE THUCYDIDES TRAP
The Hartmann Report
Thom Hartmann
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🗓️ 30 May 2020
⏱️ 57 minutes
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Summary
Is the Trump administration abandoning any leverage we may have to protect the autonomy of Hong Kong? Thom is joined by Hong Kong expert Wilfred Chan, a contributing writer to The Nation magazine. Will China's aggressive moves to dismantle democracy in Hong Kong lead to the Thucydides Trap as a rising power confronts a declining one?
Will Trump be able to distract us from the real dangers in the world- and his own corruption- with nonsense and bluster? And will history ultimately be kind or unkind to his administration?
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| 0:00.0 | This is the Tom Hartman program. |
| 0:15.0 | Welcome back, Tom Hartman here with you. |
| 0:20.0 | I have spent probably accumulatively several months in Hong Kong going all the way back to the |
| 0:26.2 | late 1970s. |
| 0:28.3 | It used to be one of my absolute favorite places on Earth. |
| 0:30.8 | It's an extraordinary city. it went through a major change at the |
| 0:35.3 | end of the 90s when it was handed back over to China in part but it was supposed to be |
| 0:39.6 | semi-autonomous this seems to be breaking down and Mike Pompeo has just |
| 0:44.6 | the New York Times reporting. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced on |
| 0:48.7 | Wednesday that he told Congress that the State Department no longer considered |
| 0:52.1 | Hong Kong to have significant autonomy |
| 0:54.8 | under Chinese rule. |
| 0:56.6 | This is a huge story. |
| 0:58.8 | This could pre-Sage not just local crises in that part of the world, |
| 1:04.0 | but frankly, this looks to me like the beginning of the |
| 1:08.0 | classic Thucydides trap here. |
| 1:10.0 | I wanted to get somebody out |
| 1:11.0 | who really knows what they're talking about in this context. |
| 1:13.6 | Wilford Chan is on the line with us, a contributing writer with The Nation magazine. |
| 1:18.0 | He was a reporter in Hong Kong, covered the umbrella movement there for quite some time. |
| 1:23.1 | He's now based in New York. |
| 1:24.8 | Wilford, welcome to the program |
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