Fallacious Arguments by Rogue Calvinists
Soteriology 101 w/ Dr. Leighton Flowers
Leighton Flowers
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🗓️ 20 December 2024
⏱️ 99 minutes
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Summary
Warren McGrew joins me again to respond to another really bad argument by a rogue Calvinist. We will specifically address the Calvinistic interpretation of Romans 8:7-9 as it relates to the "ordo salutis" (logical order of events in salvation) from the Reformed/Calvinistic perspective, which is based on logic that goes something like this:
1. If you're in the flesh you cannot please God
2. Believing in Christ would please God
3. Therefore, you cannot believe in Jesus because that would please God
Which is a non-sequitur. This example makes the fallacy very clear:
1. If you're playing in mud you cannot please mom.
2. Leaving the mud and cleaning up would please mom.
3. Therefore, you cannot leave the mud and clean up because that would please mom.
The Calvinist comes to the text with presumptions that simply are not supported by this text, or any other.
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