Welcome to Explore the Marketplace, a podcast all about how faith impacts our guest careers and lives.

I'm Sean Bowles here with my co-host.

I'm Bob Hastin, and we're here to bring you unfiltered, powerful conversations with industry leaders,

entrepreneurs, and culture shapers for living out their faith in extraordinary ways.

From a billion-dollar boardrooms to creative industries, we reveal how God is moving through

everyday ordinary people just like you.

And this podcast will give you courage, which is our goal.

Yeah, these are the stories you don't get to hear on Sundays.

Plus, we get to dive deep in the latest trends in business, finance, entertainment, and politics,

giving you real insight from a kingdom and biblical perspective.

This is where faith meets

influence. This is exploring the marketplace. Welcome to exploring the marketplace. I'm Bob

Hassan with my friend Sean Bowles. Sean, what are we doing today? We're always doing some good here.

And today is an episode for anyone wondering how their faith intersects with their ambition because we're asking how much of your career growth is up to your destiny and how much is your responsibility. It's such a great thought. It's such a great theme in Christianity. And in the real talk with us, we're going to unpack the balance between trusting God's timing and taking bold action. Do you just let go and let God,

or do you show up and grind and get after it? And what does it look like to do both in a way that honors

your calling? Yeah, I think it's interesting in my life. I started out by painting houses in a Volkswagen

bug with surf racks to hold a ladder.

And it didn't seem like destiny.

I can tell you that.

Over four decades later, I look at a mature company and think,

huh, I think God had his hand in that,

even though it wasn't sexy and it wasn't exciting and it wasn't

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