Welcome to the intersection of faith and culture. It's the wallbuilders show on a Friday. And yes,

we're sticking with this theme of just totally messing our schedule up. Yeah. So yesterday,

supposed to be Foundations of Freedom Thursday. And we did a regular Wednesday program with

Pastor Allen Jackson. Wednesday, we did a Foundations of Freedom Thursday program because it was Constitution Day. Today's good news Friday. I guess it's kind of good news because we're going to be talking about some things that are good news. But Jack Gibbs is going to be with us and we didn't want to miss that. Of course, Jack, very close to Charlie and they did a lot of events together. And he was one of the major, I think, influences and mentors along with Rob McCoy and Charlie's

life at that critical stage when he was just exploding on the scene. So Rick Green here with David and Tim Barton, guys, of course, Tim, you were just at Jack's Church what a week or two ago. I was. And actually, I would say the good news on this Friday is we're having Jack Hibbs on the program. There you go. Yes. It's good news this

Friday. But yeah, I was with Jack this last weekend. I had the opportunity to speak at

Calvert Chapalcino Hills. And we got to talk openly and candidly. He was telling me stories.

He talked to Charlie virtually every week. Charlie would call him and have the questions about the Bible.

And they would just engage in a lot of those conversations.

In fact, even some of the nonsense that's being said today, we don't need to get into the names and I don't even have to get into the conversation.

There's a lot of people saying that Charlie

had certain positions that Charlie did not have. All you have to do is go watch his videos and

people at times might point to something he said back in 2022 or 2023 as is the most recent example

they can point to. But not to get in the weeds on this. I asked Pastor

Jack about some of it. Hey, some people are saying this. What do you think? And he said, okay, you know,

here's what Charlie and I said. Here's the text messages. Here's what Charlie read. You know,

here's, et cetera. And it was really, it was really refreshing to be able to have a primary source that could shed some light.

And the bottom line, I think, is what Pastor Rob McCoy also has shared on social media a lot this week,

is as people are debating some of Charlie's theological positions, some of Charlie's doctrinal positions, etc.

Pastor Rob McCoy said, look, I'm happy to address all these issues, but we should at least give the family a decency to have

the funeral, to bury the body before we start having debates inside these circles over a Christian

community. And along those lines, it just made us think, man, we need to

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