Welcome to the intersection of faith and culture. Thanks for joining us today on the Wall Builders

show. It is Thursday, and normally that's Foundations of Freedom Thursday, but if you're

frequent listener, you already know we did that yesterday. So it was Constitution Day yesterday.

What a great foundational topic to have a great discussion on, and we just couldn't wait until Thursday to do that. So we did it yesterday. So Wednesday was Foundations of Freedom Thursday on a Wednesday. Today on Thursday, we're going to do a regular Wednesday program. And Pastor Alan Jackson will be with us a little later in the program to talk about all that is going on. I'm Rick Green here with David Barton and Tim Barton. And of course, you guys know Pastor Jackson. I think, Tim, you just spoke there recently. And my pastor loves him, man. In fact, my pastor's headed out there to a conference to Pastor Jackson's church next week. So anyway, it'll be great to have him on and just get some more spiritual insight to how to deal with all the things that are happening in our country. Yeah, Pastor Jackson is an absolutely incredible man of God. He's somebody that

when I was first around him, as I say this, it's going to make, I'm saying this in my brain

like thinking I'm younger than I am because I was going to say the first time I was around him, you're like, dude, he's the grandpa that you just would love and want to hug.

And I'm realizing now he's probably like 20 years older than me. So right, apparently I think I'm still

12 or 15 or something. I don't know. But he is just this incredibly kind, loving man, but he's so unapologetic for the truth of the word of God.

But the way he presents it, it's the guy that smacks you upside the head for being dumb and then looks at you with love and you're like, I think you hit me, but I think I like you for it,

right? Like you're just, I don't even know how to process. He is, he's so great as a pastor, and he has been a leader in so many ways. He has a very large church, a World Outreach Church in Murpysboro, Tennessee. I've been very honored and blessed to be able to go and be with him a couple times, speak at his church.

And he is someone in the midst of all that's honored and blessed to be able to go and be with him a couple times, speak at his church.

And he is someone in the midst of all that's been going on.

You know, guys, we talked about it. And maybe we should even do it again tomorrow.

Just having a pastoral perspective as we're navigating, you know, some of what's happening

culture and maybe even, I don't know if we'll get into it know, some of what's happening culture and maybe even,

I don't know if we'll get into it today, maybe tomorrow we can ask the question of,

how do we navigate with, you know, maybe pastors, should they be speaking to this?

Should they not?

What's appropriate?

What do we do?

Because there's a lot of people now saying, man, if your pastor doesn't speak up about this, find a new church.

It might be interesting to hear from some very strong leaders in the faith.

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