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I'm Rick Green here with David and Tim Barton.

And special guest, Rudy Atala, always good to have Rudy on with us. And today the whole show Rudy thanks for coming on man thank you for having me well man we just wanted to catch up and David was like hey we usually get like 10 minutes with Rudy it's not long enough let's do the whole show so we're there's a lot there's a lot that's been going on it does seem like there's a lot of good, but man, it just also seems like people are

trying to create chaos in these last few weeks of the Biden administration.

So we don't even know exactly where to start.

We've known Rudy for a long time, and we've done so many things with him.

Tim and I are on the board for Glenn Beck, and so we help run the Nazarene Fund.

And Nazarene Fund rescues persecuted Christians, religious minorities across the world.

And Rudy has been the guy running that for years for us.

He's on the ground.

He's one of the best guys annoying what the condition is in every country, who the good guys are, who the bad guys are.

Listen, he helped get those 17,000 folks out of Afghanistan.

We talked about that three years ago or so when that was falling under Biden and we were

able to get all those folks out with the Nazarene Fund. It was Rudy who was doing all that,

coordinated all that. And so he has so many contacts across the world. Hollywood even made a movie

about some of his operations militarily.

So there's a lot of stuff there to talk about. But Rudy's now part of the next administration as

well. He'd be working in the White House, working on security kind of stuff. And so we figured,

man, this guy has, he's the guy we turn to anyway. But now with this new position, what's the world going to look

like when Trump takes office and what happens between now and then? Because Rudy is a guy who's

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