Facts, unlike opinions, are hard to come by in Minneapolis
Americano
The Spectator
4.0 • 762 Ratings
🗓️ 26 January 2026
⏱️ 20 minutes
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Summary
Freddy Gray is joined by Spectator World online editor Ben Clerkin to discuss the situation in Minnesota, where for a second time an ICE officer shot dead a protestor. Freddy and Ben discuss how Trump’s team are divided on the issue, why this time Trump has not been quick to defend the ICE officers and the significance of the freezing cold weather in keeping protestors at bay.
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| 0:35.7 | Hello and welcome back to the Americana Show. My name is Freddie Gray. I am the deputy editor of the |
| 0:41.3 | spectator and the US editor. And I'm pleased to tell you that this is the 10th year of the |
| 0:47.7 | Americano podcast. And I think it's fair to say it's been a fairly fascinating time in American politics, life and culture. |
| 0:57.5 | And that's what we talk about every episode on this podcast. So please keep listening and provide |
| 1:03.8 | as much feedback as you like. Today I am delighted to be joined by Ben Clerkin, who is our US online editor. And Ben wrote a piece |
| 1:13.9 | overnight, last night, Sunday to Monday, for the US website. It's also on the UK set |
| 1:19.9 | website, if you want to read it. The headline of which was facts, unlike opinions, are hard |
| 1:26.9 | to come by in Minneapolis. And this is because, of course, |
| 1:31.0 | a 37-year-old male nurse called Alex Preti was killed in the street on Saturday in Minneapolis. |
| 1:39.8 | Just two weeks after a mother of three, Renee Good, was also shot in her car. |
| 1:46.2 | And the scenes from Minneapolis, as we discussed in another podcast last week, are becoming increasingly fraught. |
| 1:54.2 | Ben, as you say, facts are hard to come by, but many people this weekend have spent quite a large amount of time |
| 2:02.9 | analysing the horrific video of this shooting, trying to figure out if Preti, who was armed, |
| 2:10.3 | whether his gun was a factor in the shooting, what actually happened? And as you say in the |
| 2:16.4 | piece, the truth is nobody really knows. |
| 2:19.5 | It's impossible to know, really. On the one hand, you've got a guy who turns up to a scene |
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