Fact-Checking the Fact Checker: Debating Media Bias About Trump and Biden with Glenn Kessler
Next Up with Mark Halperin
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🗓️ 7 August 2025
⏱️ 72 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome in. This is Next Up. Greetings to all you Nexters, supporters of the program, very grateful to you for being here, whether you're watching on YouTube or listening as a podcast. I am your host, Mark Halprin. Editor-in-Chief of the live interactive video platform Two-Way and your guide to everything that Nexters need to know about what's next up in every realm we talk about here. |
| 0:22.0 | Talk a lot about politics. I don't really like to talk a lot about the media. I have to tell you, |
| 0:26.2 | I don't want to do a show about the media. I'm not as interested in it as I am in some other stuff. |
| 0:31.5 | And I'll admit, you know, talking about my colleagues in the media, sometimes it creates more heartburn than it's worth. But it's happened before. It's happening again today. My reported |
| 0:41.4 | monologue will be about the media because there's another great window into this massive problem |
| 0:48.1 | that I talk about all the time. The media, what I call the dominant media, some people don't like |
| 0:53.3 | that phrase, is liberally biased. |
| 0:55.9 | And we've seen it over the years, and we've seen over the last 10 years the rise of Donald Trump, the great irony that the dominant media is biased against the Republicans generally and Donald Trump in particular has helped Donald Trump as much as anything else politically. |
| 1:10.4 | So today we're going to talk about the latest developments in this extraordinary story |
| 1:14.6 | where smart, educated people commit malpractice in their jobs every day of a kind. |
| 1:19.9 | If a doctor did it, they'd be disbarred or lose their medical license. |
| 1:24.0 | If a lawyer did it, they'd be disbarred. |
| 1:25.7 | If a baseball player did it, they'd be sent down to double single A ball. Just a level of professional dereliction of duty that I can't |
| 1:34.7 | comprehend. We've got some great examples, and we'll talk about that and how it fits in the |
| 1:38.4 | current context. Later on, Glenn Kessler, he's the former editor and chief writer of a feature at the |
| 1:43.6 | Washington Post called The Fact Checker. |
| 1:45.9 | He just left the Post. And you probably know the fact checker because Glenn and his colleagues bestowed their famous Pinocchio's. |
| 1:54.4 | Four Pinocchioes meant you were just liar, liar, pants on fire. |
| 1:57.3 | And Glenn wrote one of the substacks that I'm going to be talking about my monologue |
| 2:03.4 | in just a minute because he is talking about the history that led to his departure from the |
| 2:09.5 | Post. He took a buyout. But he's also talked about the Washington Post business model. And that |
| 2:14.9 | will be a key part here of my reported monologue. So if you're someone |
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