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Before we begin, today's All in the Mind, let me tell you about another podcast that may interest you.

If you've been spending your life knee-deep in reality and the news is getting too much,

you can check out another RN podcast that's more about the spiritual

side of life. It's called Soul Search, and it's presented by the award-winning author and

historian Meredith Lake. It's full of interesting people talking about surprising things,

and you can find it wherever you normally get your podcasts.

It's a continuing process, but I now don't want to rid myself of those wounds. I hold them,

but I hold them very gently, and I use them as a guide, and I see the richness that they give my life and the

tapestry of my life. You know, the darkness is there but it also makes the colours brighter and

I'm really grateful for that. Hello, it's all in the mind on RN. I'm Lynne Malcolm. Today, a raw,

honest and moving conversation with Tara Lall,

a firefighter and mental health researcher who's found new meaning in life after suffering deep loss.

Tara has released her memoir called Standing on My Brother's Shoulders.

The title really has a dual meaning to it because I used to play a game with my brother when shoulders. The title is really has a dual meaning to it

because I used to play a game with my brother

when I was young

and we would stand on each other's shoulders

and then cling on to a tiny bit of cornice

in our living room and run up and down

until we screamed to be picked up by the other one

and my brother never ever let me fall.

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